Brother rule on Drafting.

  • For Majors we have a couple different brother tandums to deal with for our majors draft. One is with a

    A) 12yr old and a 11.

    B) 12 and 10...

    For group A) I feel the 11yr old will be drafted before the 12 once the 11 is taken in the 1st round slim chance high 2nd rnd. what round will that coach have to take the 12yr old?

    B) the 12 yr old will go 1st round too or early 2nd then where will the 10yr old have to be taken. Is both of them by the 4th rnd or does it go like the coaches son rule?



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  • If a Manager drafts a kid with a brother, and he exercises the option on that brother, then he takes the brother in the next round regardless of age.

  • I agree with Rick. The siblings must be drafted in consecutive rounds. Otherwise, the second sibling is available for anyone else to draft.

    BTW, this assumes the parents submit a sibling option on the kids. If the parents don't mind that they play on separate teams, then the manager who selects the first sibling cannot protect the second one. We actually had that happen in my son's old local league. The parents did not request the option, and the brothers were on two different teams.

    Also, if memory serves (I don't have an Operating Manual handy right now), sibling options exist for tenured kids already on a Majors team. For example, if I have Billy on my team, and his brother Bobby is in the draft, I can exercise a sibling option on Bobby, but I must select him within the first three rounds of the draft. If I don't, then Bobby becomes available for anyone else to choose.

    One more thing: I believe if the siblings are to be drafted as manager/coach options, they must be drafted by the appropriate round for those options. Take Lance's B tandem above, where one kid is 12 and the other is 10, and their Dad is the manager. By LL draft policy, Dad must draft the 12yo by round 3. Then, he must draft the 10yo in the next round. He cannot wait to draft the 10yo in round 5, and then exercise the sibling option on the 12yo in round 6.

    If the manager's two kids are the same age, they must both be drafted by the appropriate manager option round. Say both kids are 11. The manager would have to draft the first one by round 3, and the second in round 4.

    At least I think that's how it goes. The round restrictions for manager/coach option take precedence over the sibling option.

  • Manny, you said:

    1) "BTW, this assumes the parents submit a sibling option on the kids. If the parents don't mind that they play on separate teams, then the manager who selects the first sibling cannot protect the second one."

    I've never heard of the parents submitting an Option!

    The Option is up to the manager, if he drafts a player with a sibling he has the Option to draft the sibling in the next round, it's not up to the parents.

    2) "Take Lance's B tandem above, where one kid is 12 and the other is 10, and their Dad is the manager. By LL draft policy, Dad must draft the 12yo by round 3. Then, he must draft the 10yo in the next round."

    I don't think so.

    These are manager's children so he needs to draft the 12 year old by round 3 but he can wait to draft the 10 year old till round 5.

    As you said, the "manager options" take precedence over all other options.

    3) "He cannot wait to draft the 10yo in round 5, and then exercise the sibling option on the 12yo in round 6."

    True, in fact if he doesn't draft the 12 year old in round 3 any other manager is free to draft him at that point.

    4) "sibling options exist for tenured kids already on a Majors team. For example, if I have Billy on my team, and his brother Bobby is in the draft, I can exercise a sibling option on Bobby, but I must select him within the first three rounds of the draft."

    Another example of what might be an advantage for a team.

    Let's say the team has a returning 12 who's 11 year old brother is moving up to majors. The 11 year old is a "stud" but the manager invokes the Option for a Sibling of a Returning Player and the "stud" doesn't need to be picked until round 3!

  • I think there's more to it on #3 Lou - undera different scenario - if he does not draft the 12YO in round 3 and he goes undrafted for 3 rounds, after the 10YO is drafted in round 5, the sibling option comes in to NOW protect that 12YO until his pick in the 6th round.

  • Mark: Can't happen!

    The manager has to submit his Manager Options to the Player Agent 48 hours prior to the Draft.

    If the manager puts in an Option for the 12 year old then he can't "not draft him" in one of the first three rounds (to leave him available as a Sibling Option when he takes his 10 year old in round 5).

    If the manager puts in the Option for his 12 year old and he doesn't pick him in round 1 or 2 then that's his 3rd round pick (automatically assigned by the PA based on the submitted Option).

    Of course, if he doesn't put in an Option on the 12 year old then any other manager can draft him in any round.

  • @ All - For the record, as is the case so often, Lou is correct on all counts.

  • Lou, it doesn't happen often, but parents may not want their kids to play together. Like I said, we had it happen in our league. My guess is that the two boys were so incompatible with each other, the parents wanted them separated even in LL. So they requested that the managers NOT exercise the sibling option on them.

    Here's another example: the parents have two kids, 12 and 10, going into the draft. They may inform the player agent that they do not want their 10yo playing Majors because they feel he's not ready. So whoever drafts the 12yo won't be afforded the opportunity to draft the 10yo in the next round under the sibling option.

    Finally, let's say the parents insist that their two kids play on the same Majors team to minimize the pain of getting them to/from games and practices since they only have one car. The 12yo is a decent player, but the 10yo really will struggle in Majors, and chances are no manager wants the 10yo on his/her team. But to help the parents out, the player agent informs the managers on draft night of the parents' wishes. Shouldn't those wishes be granted if they are reasonable?

    So it may be an option exercised by the manager. But the parents should have some say-so in the matter.

  • OK, time for me to get in trouble again - don't let the inmates run the asylum!

    Should you take parent requests into consideration - sure, to a point.

    That said, they are "requests", there is nothing in the LL Operating Manual that says you have to do what the parents ask.

    I've been involved in LL for more years than I can remember and I could count on one hand and have fingers left over the number of times I've seen a parent request their children to be on different teams.

  • I got 2 boys. Both league age 11. One boy is a first round pick and my other son is a 8 or 9 round pick if that. I fell if a coach picks one he should Automatically get the other brother and lose his next pick... now I got 2 boys on different teams.. Baseball is about the kids playing ball.