How to understand that God is the absolute truth

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  • Just by looking around you you can understand the truth.

    Think that you have a box and you hear barking from inside the box. Are you smart enough to understand that there is a dog inside the box?

    The same way scientists uses the light from the starts to be sure what starts are made of.

    You guys need to be a step ahead to understand the truth.

    Think that you go back in time 3.5 billion years (or more) when it was only one being in the universe (The Alpha).

    What this being wants to do with the universe?

    There are only two choices:

    A ) To Die

    B ) To be Almighty

    Only Atheists think A ) is the only option. Any other being in the universe understand that the goal of The Alpha is to be Almighty.

    "I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”



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  • I hope you're joking with this nonsense

  • Jason Rebelato, Please tell us what part of the OP is hard to understand.

  • Just by looking around you you can understand the truth.

    Can you really? What we have learned from science is that you really cannot learn facts about our universe by simply "looking around"...that's the method that theists use to make shit up.

    Think that you have a box and you hear barking from inside the box. Are you smart enough to understand that there is a dog inside the box?

    Someone truly interested in knowing the truth would not simply assume the source of the barking, they would perform experiments to prove it. Until you open the box and confirm it is indeed a dog, you have no reason to believe what the source is. Nice analogy, it shows exactly how theists assume answers before gaining knowledge.

    The same way scientists uses the light from the starts to be sure what starts are made of.

    I'm going to assume you mean "stars" here. Yes, cosmologists use the scientific method to prove what stars are made of, which is nothing like what theists use to prove God exists.

    You guys need to be a step ahead to understand the truth.

    What do you even mean by this babble?

    Think that you go back in time 3.5 billion years (or more) when it was only one being in the universe (The Alpha).

    Please prove this "one being" exists before making baseless assertions.

    What this being wants to do with the universe?

    You assume this being would be subject to human emotions like "want" and desire. Prove your assertions.

    Only Atheists think A ) is the only option. Any other being in the universe understand that the goal of The Alpha is to be Almighty.

    Do you understand what an atheist actually is? We do not believe a God exists, so why would we believe a being we don't think exists has any options at all.

    "I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    Then you conclude with random nonsense from a book we believe was simply written by uneducated humans thousands of years ago...relevance?

    So yeah, like I said, I hope you're joking with this nonsense.

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    By looking aroud we can understand the truth:

    Let me explain.

    If we look around we can see that

    " life is working in different ways to keep existing"

    Do you agree? :____________

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    The sound of bark it is an illustrative way I use to explain how we get to a conclucion. But if it make you happier we can say the box was make of clear glass. Do this will help you understand that a dog is inside of the box?_________

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    You say cosmologists use the scientific method to prove what stars are made of.

    I am theists and I am trying to prove that God exists.

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    You say "Please prove this "one being" exists before making baseless assertions"

    I say that some time in the history of the universe life begun.

    Are you able to understand that one being was first that any other? ____________

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    You say "Prove that the first being have emotions like "want" or "desire""

    I will make a list of beings and tell me wich ones are able to want or desire:

    A 30 year old man

    B 5 year old kid

    C 1 month old baby

    D a 2 Month old human fetus

    Jason:________

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    You say: " atheists means that we do not believe God exists"

    That's OK, we can say "God do not exists" now we need to turn around and explain what does living creatures want to do in the universe?

    So what do you think atheists think living cretures want to do in the universe?

    There are only 2 options:

    A ) To wait for death.

    B ) To search for immortality

    Jason : ______________

  • If we look around we can see that "life is working in different ways to keep existing"

    Do you agree? :____________

    Sure, how is this relevant to whether or not a God exists?

    The sound of bark it is an illustrative way I use to explain how we get to a conclucion. But if it make you happier we can say the box was make of clear glass. Do this will help you understand that a dog is inside of the box?_________

    Yes, and my point was that we can use the scientific method to discover what is inside the box. You have not supplied any such evidence to prove a God exists.

    You say cosmologists use the scientific method to prove what stars are made of.

    I am theists and I am trying to prove that God exists.

    You're doing a very bad job of it. I'm still waiting for any actual verifiable evidence to support your assertion.

    You say "Please prove this "one being" exists before making baseless assertions"

    I say that some time in the history of the universe life begun.

    Are you able to understand that one being was first that any other? ____________

    Can you please prove this assertion? Where is the evidence that there was a "being" that came before everything?

    You say "Prove that the first being have emotions like "want" or "desire""

    I will make a list of beings and tell me wich ones are able to want or desire:

    A 30 year old man

    B 5 year old kid

    C 1 month old baby

    D a 2 Month old human fetus

    How is this relevant to the emotions of your unproven God? Yes, humans have emotions like "desire", unproven entities do not.

    That's OK, we can say "God do not exists" now we need to turn around and explain what does living creatures want to do in the universe?

    So what do you think atheists think living cretures want to do in the universe?

    There are only 2 options:

    A ) To wait for death.

    B ) To search for immortality

    What a person wants has nothing to do with what reality actually is. Our desire to live forever has no bearing on whether or not it's possible.

  • Can you please prove this assertion? Where is the evidence that there was a "being" that came before everything?

    I never say a Being came before everything.

    I say when the being shows up in the universe in came with a software inside: " To be Almigthy".

    Do atheists think this being will be successful or not? _______

  • What is the Evidence for Evolution?

    Janus if evolution is true there is no need for god. The above video shows just one small proof evolution is true & it makes more sense than thinking a deity made things the way they are. after watching the video can you refute its evidence? If not maybe you should rethink your worldview.

  • I say when the being shows up in the universe in came with a software inside: " To be Almigthy".

    Again, you're using the word "when", as if this being will certainly present itself. What is your evidence that this will happen?

    Do atheists think this being will be successful or not?

    To demonstrate how silly your questions are, allow me to ask you a question...

    When Dracula makes himself known to all of Eastern Europe, do you believe he will be successful in taking power?

    If you can understand why this question is unanswerable, then you will understand why your questions are the same.

  • -----------------------------------------Alex Karolyi ------------------------------------------

    Janus if evolution is true there is no need for god

    Alex I never say that evolution needs a God, what I say is that the last step of the evolution chain is an Almighty being. And this Almighty being has been the goal of life since the origin of life.

    "I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    -------------------------------------------Jason Rebelato-------------------------------------------

    Again, you're using the word "when", as if this being will certainly present itself. What is your evidence that this will happen?

    The evidence that this will happen is the same that the evidence that this will no happen.

    what is left is to understand what is life working for?

    A ) Life is working to make Dracula or some other living creature successful?

    B ) Life is working to Die the sooner possible?

  • Janus there is no last step to evolution, and most religions claim god to be the precurser to life. So there can be no Alpha or Omega. If we need no god to evolve why do you think such a being exists?

    Life is working to keep living and pass on genetic material- that is it. That is the purpose of existence, everything else is just a bonus.

  • Alex "Life is working to keep living and pass on genetic material" is just part of what life does.

    Do you notice that evolution create wisdom?

    Have you seen that wisdom begun with civilization?

    Have you seen that since day one civilization's goal has been immortality and control over the universe?

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  • Evolution created the capacity for intelligence, and that has spawned wisdom through experience. Wisdom did not begin with civilization, & civilization does not have a directed goal other than to create order from chaos.

    An example- many primative tribes display wisdom & creativity yet they themselves are not discribed as a civilization. Thus evolution does not equal wisdom.

  • Alex Karolyi

    "civilization does not have a directed goal other than to create order from chaos"

    Create order from chaos to do what?

    A ) To die the sooner possible.

    B ) To stal alive.

    Tell us from the next list of dangers which one you think civilization want to tackle to stay alive:

    A ) An illness

    B ) An asteroid

    C ) A supernova

  • Janus,

    Why do you insist that there is some kind of purpose behind humans existing? The fact that you think life sucks without the possibility of a God to save us all is not proof that such a God exists.

    The evidence that this will happen is the same that the evidence that this will no happen.

    What does this even mean? The question was very simple...what evidence do you have that a God exists and will show himself to us?

    what is left is to understand what is life working for?

    If you're asking about a purpose to life...it's simply to stay alive long enough to pass our genes onto the next generation...that's it.

    Life is working to make Dracula or some other living creature successful?

    Clearly my analogy flew over your head. You were asserting a God exists and I did the same thing for Dracula. Can you prove to me that Dracula does not exist?

    Life is working to Die the sooner possible?

    Life does not have any goals, it simply is. We are lucky enough to have been born and survived long enough to be able to have this discussion.

  • Janus you need to answer Jasons very simple question. What evidence do you have that a God exists? The answer is none. Prove otherwise that is your challenge.

    You then ask "Tell us from the next list of dangers which one you think civilization want to tackle to stay alive:"

    A ) An illness B ) An asteroid C ) A supernova

    That is a question that makes no sense. Why not include D) Godzilla, or E) The purple people eater?

    Civilization has no directed goal and no drive to stay 'alive'. Civilization is just a concept used to describe a society. The individuals in that society make thier own meaning to life. Lifes purpose is as stated above "simply to stay alive long enough to pass our genes onto the next generation...that's it."

    If your god was real it would have made itself known long ago. The fact that it has not just proves the truth about your beliefs.

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    ---------------------------------Jason Rebelato ---------------------------

    Why do you insist that there is some kind of purpose behind humans existing?

    I do not create the purpose of humans, I just see it all around us.

    Humans and any other living creature in the universe have the same goal: Immortality and Control over the universe.

    I get to this conclusion around March 1995, then I found out that SETI Institute has the same idea. Do you agree with SETI or not?_________

    What evidence do you have that a God exists and will show himself to us ?

    Think that a extraterrestrial civilization shows up and put a sign in the sky saying: " Repent you must convert to Islam now!"

    What you will do?______________

    Then tomorrow the same estraterrestrial civilization show us and put a sign in the sky saying: "Repent you must convert to Christianity now!'

    What you will do?_______________

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    Can you prove to me that Dracula does not exist? ?

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    I try to explain that life is trying to reach control over the universe, at this point Life will be almighty, God will be here. If you call it Dracula or Jesus does not matter. Evolution signs are for and allmighty being.

    Life does not have any goals, it simply is. We are lucky enough to have been born and survived long enough to be able to have this discussion.

    If life does not have any goals, then look around you and please mention something that have goals:_________________

    -----------------------------------------Alex Karolyi ---------------------------------------

    Janus you need to answer Jasons very simple question. What evidence do you have that a God exists? The answer is none. Prove otherwise that is your challenge.

    The evidence is the way life reacts in the universe.

    Where life came from? Where life is going to?

    SETI thinks that life came from a single cell being a few billion years ago, and want to control the universe and be immortal. This is the evidence Alex.

    That is a question that makes no sense. Why not include D) Godzilla, or E) The purple people eater? Civilization has no directed goal and no drive to stay 'alive'.

    Godzilla or the purple people eater are good options, to stay alive civilization should find the solution to all the problems the universe shows.

    We do not know what is in the universe but we are sure life will try to find the solution to any problem.

    If your god was real it would have made itself known long ago. The fact that it has not just proves the truth about your beliefs.

    Think that an extraterrestrial civilizations came to us and tell us that their are God. What will you do? Believe them or tell them "No, my friend Janus VI explain me all"

  • Humans and any other living creature in the universe have the same goal: Immortality and Control over the universe.

    This is not the same as a "purpose". Even if this statement was true, it is a desire of humans to achieve these goals, not some kind of cosmic purpose.

    I get to this conclusion around March 1995, then I found out that SETI Institute has the same idea. Do you agree with SETI or not?

    What does SETI have to do with anything? They were set up to search for other life in the cosmos, why do you seem to think they have some bigger purpose?

    Think that a extraterrestrial civilization shows up and put a sign in the sky saying: " Repent you must convert to Islam now!"

    So, you're saying that aliens are akin to Gods? Firstly, I would not convert to any religion because of a sign in the sky, particularly any that are so obviously wrong like Islam or Christianity. Secondly, if you're simply labeling alien life as "God", then you've made the term less useful.

    I try to explain that life is trying to reach control over the universe, at this point Life will be almighty, God will be here. If you call it Dracula or Jesus does not matter. Evolution signs are for and allmighty being.

    You still don't get my point, so I'm going to give up trying to make it. Again, what is any evidence you have of this statement? Are you just making a baseless prediction, or do you have facts to back any of this up?

    If life does not have any goals, then look around you and please mention something that have goals:

    People have goals, the process of life does not in the way you're implying.

  • "The evidence is the way life reacts in the universe. " Sorry that is not evidence Janus that is a claim or simple opinion.

    Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak. The strongest type of evidence is that which provides direct proof of the truth of an assertion.

    synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation.

    Janus what proof do you have for your above claim? Unless I am mistaken SETI stand for Seach for Extraterrestial Intelligence. So far it has very little to show other than a brief radio signal on August 15, 1977. So this is not proof of anything.

  • -----------------------------------------Alex Karolyi -------------------

    SETI looks for Extraterrestial Intelligence

    Where this extraterrestial intelligence came from?

    A ) From an evolutionary process

    B ) Some one create them.

    Alex:______________

    ---------------------------------Jason Rebelato ---------------------------

    People have goals, the process of life does not in the way you're implying

    Jason, SETI thinks that life in the universe will evolve until they are intellligent. Do you agree? _____

    Ones the beings are intelligent SETI thinks that this living creatures will try to control galaxies and be immortal. Do you agree? _______

  • Janus you avoided the question again. Janus what proof do you have for your above claim? "The evidence is the way life reacts in the universe. "

    Thus far the only life we know of for certain is on Earth. While there is a high likelyhood of life in the galaxy the vast distances will render contact rare and remote. So to answer your off topic question life must have evolved for SETI to ever make contact. So no one created "them".

    The universe will also not "evolve until they are intelligent". Life IN the universe may evolve but again you have no proof of that Janus. Second living beings can not control galaxies and be immortal. First because galaxies are so vast, control is moot and second because immortality is not possible.

    Now back to restating the topic do you have any empical, verifiable proof of god? Yes or no?

  • Look at he video of evolution you put.

    It is similar to go back in time and see only single cell beings.

    If I say: "analyzing this life I can conclude that this kind of life will create a 2 cell beings"

    Will you believe me?_________________

    Then If I say :" analyzing this life I can conclude that this kind of life will create nuclear reactors"

    Will you believe me?___________

  • Janus,

    This discussion pretty much narrows down to your initial assertion of some alleged being. You wrote: Think that you go back in time 3.5 billion years (or more) when it was only one being in the universe (The Alpha).

    Upon what basis or evidence do you assume this "Alpha" existed?

    By simply looking around?

    We humans can look around and be wrong about what we see. We are subjective beings with limited perception capabilities that can perceive and/or understand things incorrectly (its why the scientific method relies on multiple tests, observations, and peer-review to assure objectivity as much as possible).

    So...please. Upon what verifiable evidence do you base your assertion of this "Alpha"?

    What substantive evidence can you present that necessarily and solely leads one to this inevitable conclusion?

  • If I say: "analyzing this life I can conclude that this kind of life will create a 2 cell beings"

    Will you believe me?_________________

    Then If I say :" analyzing this life I can conclude that this kind of life will create nuclear reactors"

    Will you believe me?___________

    Answer: Not necessarily.

    it depends upon the basis for your conclusion. Since life doesn't work in any sort of actual, predictable, mathematical process, its not feasible to look at a single-celled organism and simply conclude it will ever be multicellular. Look at bacteria. We only know that multicellular life evolved from the vantage point of being in the present and looking back.

    One may look at an advancing society and, based on models of similar societies, predict they will develop nuclear capabilities. However, any given society is open to myriad influences and they may never do so. Much depends on other, outside influences.

    In short, one may make predictive models based on certain data but one cannot make a rock-solid precognitive conclusion. One's predictive model is weighted in accuracy by the amount of strong data and its proximity to the predicted outcome.

  • Kevin

    Kevin WilliamsonSince life doesn't work in any sort of actual, predictable, mathematical process, its not feasible to look at a single-celled organism and simply conclude it will ever be multicellular

    Kevin, Do you think that some one can create supercoputer, that uses a lot of data in the universe, to understand that a single-celled organism can generate a multicellular being?

    Yes

    No

  • Janus,

    I seriously doubt it.

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